Yes, Oh, now I can sor of see that you are confused. It was actually Turner who was our MAPS worker, which means that she was working as a financially independent volunteer, not really on salary. She was originally from Nebraska, but she married a native man there, so that is how her family became intertwined in a residential way with that of her husband, Leonal, but that is a different story for another day. And how does Turner of Nebraska converse with Tuner of New York? This is not clear.