Yes, it must be very uncomfortable for you, thrashing around in the lower levels of that Dutch Reformed School and/or tangled forest of thickets, but anyway, there really is no grand prize for trying to climb in through a Johnny Carl window, especially where there you will find almost none of that. You would end up committing suicide if you continued on such a fruitless path, When are you going to learn to just let them go? They are going to do whatever they want to do, so fine, whatever, but not on my dime.