Yes, I vaguely remember, during the two years of Oakland Park church, once for some reason, I gave Jim Lori a ride to church from somewhere, and during that time he expressed his profound cynicism of Christianity and Christian ministers, I forget how that subject came up, and I did not ask him to say all those things, he just spontaneously expressed the things that were on his mind, sprung from his own heart. And he later seemed to disappear and probably returned to his pagan roots, because Pam said that she had later met his trashy pagan girlfriend, who he later married and that they had moved home to New York. So whatever. Some people have shallow roots and are easily swept away by various currents or winds.