Why don't you just ask Joan Calabrese what she remembers about that? Wasn't it she and Kathy herself who were talking that way? Don't I know that they are very coy about what they say in my presence and remembering that I might have overheard that would probably want to send out a misleading trail to put me off their track as usual. Not that I care very much about what they say. I know better than to even pretend to care about anything they say. They are always were such worthless high school classmates so whatever.